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		<title>Comment on How to Verify Accredited Investor Status: A Proposal by applieddynamite</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/07/30/how-to-verify-accredited-investor-status-a-proposal/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[applieddynamite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, I agree that this part of JOBS Act Title II is unclear and has some wide ambiguity.  That said, if we back away from the text and the baggage surrounding it for a moment, and ask &quot;what would a regime look like where a startup could tweet about meeting with angels, yet not jeopardize its exemption?&quot;, then I think one can imagine a reasonable, workable implementation of something like the above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I agree that this part of JOBS Act Title II is unclear and has some wide ambiguity.  That said, if we back away from the text and the baggage surrounding it for a moment, and ask &#8220;what would a regime look like where a startup could tweet about meeting with angels, yet not jeopardize its exemption?&#8221;, then I think one can imagine a reasonable, workable implementation of something like the above.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Verify Accredited Investor Status: A Proposal by Joe Wallin (@joewallin)</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/07/30/how-to-verify-accredited-investor-status-a-proposal/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Wallin (@joewallin)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is unfortunate that an amendment to the initially proposed statute, which amendment was added without much consideration (see here: http://www.startuplawblog.com/2012/05/08/accredited-crowdfunding/#more-3582), is going to cause so many problems. We should advocate that this portion of the statute be repealed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate that an amendment to the initially proposed statute, which amendment was added without much consideration (see here: <a href="http://www.startuplawblog.com/2012/05/08/accredited-crowdfunding/#more-3582" rel="nofollow">http://www.startuplawblog.com/2012/05/08/accredited-crowdfunding/#more-3582</a>), is going to cause so many problems. We should advocate that this portion of the statute be repealed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ten Things You Can&#8217;t Do With Crowdfunding Investment by Joe Skocilich (@joeskocilich)</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/06/12/ten-things-you-cant-do-with-crowdfunding-investment/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Skocilich (@joeskocilich)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points.  As a lawyer, my take on #9 is that beyond lawyers being generally skittish or financially uninterested in taking on crowdfunding deals, they are going to try forcing crowdfunding into existing boxes they understand.  A lot will depend on how much room for creativity the SEC rules actually allow, but some new thinking is going to be required, as under- or over-lawyering could do some lasting harm to the whole crowdfunding venture. While portals will be able to help issuers with a lot (e.g., managing disclosure delivery, compliance with individual investment limits, SEC filings (maybe?), and the overall framework generally) they won’t be able to help issuers decide on basic capital raising choices or with drafting the complex issuer specific required disclosure. This where it might be worth it to get a securities lawyer’s help, and take them at least a little seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points.  As a lawyer, my take on #9 is that beyond lawyers being generally skittish or financially uninterested in taking on crowdfunding deals, they are going to try forcing crowdfunding into existing boxes they understand.  A lot will depend on how much room for creativity the SEC rules actually allow, but some new thinking is going to be required, as under- or over-lawyering could do some lasting harm to the whole crowdfunding venture. While portals will be able to help issuers with a lot (e.g., managing disclosure delivery, compliance with individual investment limits, SEC filings (maybe?), and the overall framework generally) they won’t be able to help issuers decide on basic capital raising choices or with drafting the complex issuer specific required disclosure. This where it might be worth it to get a securities lawyer’s help, and take them at least a little seriously.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ten Things You Can&#8217;t Do With Crowdfunding Investment by Ten Things You Can&#8217;t Do With Crowdfunding Investment &#124; Fund Fever</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/06/12/ten-things-you-cant-do-with-crowdfunding-investment/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ten Things You Can&#8217;t Do With Crowdfunding Investment &#124; Fund Fever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Top Ten Irrelevant Statements About Crowdfunding by Joe Wallin (@joewallin)</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/05/17/top-ten-irrelevant-statements-about-crowdfunding/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Wallin (@joewallin)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 05:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randall, Andrew &amp; Asher--I think crowdfunding enthusiasts need to go back to Congress to get Congress to fix the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall, Andrew &amp; Asher&#8211;I think crowdfunding enthusiasts need to go back to Congress to get Congress to fix the law.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Top Ten Irrelevant Statements About Crowdfunding by applieddynamite</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/05/17/top-ten-irrelevant-statements-about-crowdfunding/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[applieddynamite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 05:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Andrew -- what a pleasure to continue the conversation ;)  If your fear comes true that crowdfunding ends up being &quot;worse but more expensive,&quot; then it is truly doomed: on that we agree wholeheartedly.

Re: the drafting of the law (to Andrew&#039;s and Joe&#039;s points) -- yes, the Crowdfund Act is hardly a gem of legislative clarity and consistency.  My bias is that it&#039;s better than nothing, but it&#039;s definitely worse than &quot;good.&quot;  (But at risk of sounding like a Christensen acolyte ... many great things get their start as the &quot;worse but cheaper (and available)&quot; option ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew &#8212; what a pleasure to continue the conversation <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   If your fear comes true that crowdfunding ends up being &#8220;worse but more expensive,&#8221; then it is truly doomed: on that we agree wholeheartedly.</p>
<p>Re: the drafting of the law (to Andrew&#8217;s and Joe&#8217;s points) &#8212; yes, the Crowdfund Act is hardly a gem of legislative clarity and consistency.  My bias is that it&#8217;s better than nothing, but it&#8217;s definitely worse than &#8220;good.&#8221;  (But at risk of sounding like a Christensen acolyte &#8230; many great things get their start as the &#8220;worse but cheaper (and available)&#8221; option <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Top Ten Irrelevant Statements About Crowdfunding by Andrew Ledbetter</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/05/17/top-ten-irrelevant-statements-about-crowdfunding/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Ledbetter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 22:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randall -- I enjoyed this.  I particularly liked how honest your post is that &quot;unfundable&quot; companies are the audience for the new crowdfunding exemption.  This point is hard to find in the media.  I suspect my audience is usually a bit different (fundable or wanting to stay well positioned for funding), and sense you agree these companies should be looking elsewhere.  

Because I can&#039;t resist, I will add one quick clarification.  My point is definitely not to knock crowdfunding as “worse but cheaper” or “worse but easier” -- far from it.  (Number two on my list of concerns about the new exemption was its cost.)  The exemption could have been beautifully simple, but instead it is a 10-page behemoth with tons of details, compliance steps, new SEC registration regimes, special calculations, new civil liabilities, etc.  I think securities exemptions are better for business when they are short, clear, and easy to use.  My fear is that this exemption is &quot;worse but more expensive&quot; and &quot;worse but harder,&quot; that it could end up being like those donations to help starving children in Africa where the charity promoters collect $100 a pop from thousands of contributors but keep $40 for their overhead, etc.  My fear could be misplaced for an unfundable company whose other option is a loan shark, but I hope that&#039;s not my audience!  It could also be possible that private actors come up with cost-control solutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall &#8212; I enjoyed this.  I particularly liked how honest your post is that &#8220;unfundable&#8221; companies are the audience for the new crowdfunding exemption.  This point is hard to find in the media.  I suspect my audience is usually a bit different (fundable or wanting to stay well positioned for funding), and sense you agree these companies should be looking elsewhere.  </p>
<p>Because I can&#8217;t resist, I will add one quick clarification.  My point is definitely not to knock crowdfunding as “worse but cheaper” or “worse but easier” &#8212; far from it.  (Number two on my list of concerns about the new exemption was its cost.)  The exemption could have been beautifully simple, but instead it is a 10-page behemoth with tons of details, compliance steps, new SEC registration regimes, special calculations, new civil liabilities, etc.  I think securities exemptions are better for business when they are short, clear, and easy to use.  My fear is that this exemption is &#8220;worse but more expensive&#8221; and &#8220;worse but harder,&#8221; that it could end up being like those donations to help starving children in Africa where the charity promoters collect $100 a pop from thousands of contributors but keep $40 for their overhead, etc.  My fear could be misplaced for an unfundable company whose other option is a loan shark, but I hope that&#8217;s not my audience!  It could also be possible that private actors come up with cost-control solutions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Top Ten Irrelevant Statements About Crowdfunding by Joe Wallin (@joewallin)</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/05/17/top-ten-irrelevant-statements-about-crowdfunding/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Wallin (@joewallin)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It will be fun to see how this turns out. To me, it is disappointing that the Congress didn&#039;t pass a better bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be fun to see how this turns out. To me, it is disappointing that the Congress didn&#8217;t pass a better bill.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Top Ten Irrelevant Statements About Crowdfunding by Asher Bearman (@asherbearman)</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/05/17/top-ten-irrelevant-statements-about-crowdfunding/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asher Bearman (@asherbearman)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is awesome!  I wonder whether some companies simply shouldn&#039;t be funded, but your perspective on this is interesting and a valuable addition to the discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome!  I wonder whether some companies simply shouldn&#8217;t be funded, but your perspective on this is interesting and a valuable addition to the discussion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Top Ten Irrelevant Statements About Crowdfunding by applieddynamite</title>
		<link>http://blog.simpleverity.com/2012/05/17/top-ten-irrelevant-statements-about-crowdfunding/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[applieddynamite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 23:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joe ;)  You&#039;re absolutely right: if you have the opportunity to raise $5M in a Reg D offering to angels, all things being equal, you&#039;d take that before doing a $1M capped Crowdfund raise.

But that misses the point in two ways.  First, the people who will be doing Crowdfund Act raises aren&#039;t the ones with an option on a large Reg D round; it&#039;s the people whose other option is no capital, or dubiously legal capital, or loan sharks.  Second, the cost, hassle, expense, and delay inherent to the current way of doing legitimate offerings (e.g. Reg D or Reg A or other exemptions) won&#039;t transfer over to the Crowdfund Act offerings -- they can&#039;t, because as you rightly point out, it won&#039;t work.  That&#039;s like saying man can never walk on the moon, because there&#039;s not enough air to breathe.  The premise is true, but irrelevant.

Maybe a better example would be saying that Uber would never work, because there are taxi licensing regimes to deal with in all the major cities.

There are tons of legitimate concerns about / problems with for-profit crowdfunding, but we won&#039;t see the shape of it simply by extrapolation from the shape of existing securities offerings; that&#039;s my main point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   You&#8217;re absolutely right: if you have the opportunity to raise $5M in a Reg D offering to angels, all things being equal, you&#8217;d take that before doing a $1M capped Crowdfund raise.</p>
<p>But that misses the point in two ways.  First, the people who will be doing Crowdfund Act raises aren&#8217;t the ones with an option on a large Reg D round; it&#8217;s the people whose other option is no capital, or dubiously legal capital, or loan sharks.  Second, the cost, hassle, expense, and delay inherent to the current way of doing legitimate offerings (e.g. Reg D or Reg A or other exemptions) won&#8217;t transfer over to the Crowdfund Act offerings &#8212; they can&#8217;t, because as you rightly point out, it won&#8217;t work.  That&#8217;s like saying man can never walk on the moon, because there&#8217;s not enough air to breathe.  The premise is true, but irrelevant.</p>
<p>Maybe a better example would be saying that Uber would never work, because there are taxi licensing regimes to deal with in all the major cities.</p>
<p>There are tons of legitimate concerns about / problems with for-profit crowdfunding, but we won&#8217;t see the shape of it simply by extrapolation from the shape of existing securities offerings; that&#8217;s my main point.</p>
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